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FM-Templates (DX7)

Postby electRiq » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:42 am

Hi there,

I created templates for DX7-Sounds. Every template is one routing of the DX7. There are no envelopes yet, but I think that's the smallest problem ;)
Please report if there're any mistakes so I can solve it!

http://www.thelates.de/Fusion_Sounds/DX7_Temp.zip

Here the "convertation table" for the ratio parameter from DX7 again:
ratio (DX) = pitch in semitones + cents (Fusion)

1 = + 0 s
2 = + 12 s
3 = + 19 s
4 = + 24 s
5 = + 28 s - 14 cents
6 = + 31 s + 2 cents
7 = + 34 s - 31 cents
8 = + 36 s
9 = + 38 s + 4 cents
10 = + 40 s - 14 cents
11 = + 42 s - 49 cents
12 = + 43 s + 2 cents
13 = + 44 s + 40 cents
14 = + 45 s + 69 cents
15 = + 47 s - 12 cents
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Postby neomad » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:19 am

GREATTTTTTTTT
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Postby electRiq » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:40 am

If you're a beginner, you should also have a look for this video:
http://insidesynthesis.blogspot.com/200 ... art-1.html
You noticed the quick guide in PDF-format?
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Postby fewshun » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:14 am

electRiq wrote:If you're a beginner, you should also have a look for this video:
http://insidesynthesis.blogspot.com/200 ... art-1.html
You noticed the quick guide in PDF-format?


I learned a lot from that... his other videos are good too.

I'm going to be learning stuff about my Fusion for a looong time (which is a good thing, it'll keep me busy exploring so I don't develop any gear lust. :wink: )
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Postby stealthgear » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:43 am

thanks for this. Maybe I can figure out how to put envelopes on? I had a DX7 for awhile, it would be great if the fusion is a replacement for that.
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Postby stealthgear » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:30 am

A good idea is to set the knobs to the pitch. Then you can control the first four operators with the knobs!!!!

I also have the DX200 which lets you adjust several parameters with knobs....

I am going to cook something up similiar and post back......love this synth.
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Postby stealthgear » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:32 am

question, how would we properly implement the LFO to make it work similiar?
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Okay I'm Back, DX200 Control Emulation!

Postby stealthgear » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:25 pm

I took your first algorithm patch and added DX200 Groovebox style controls! I emulated the most important parts of the FM Depth and Harmonic knobs off the DX200. So you can tweak the OSCs then adjust the knobs to make stuff like this on the fly:
Mp3 Sample:http://www.chipcollection.com/spacefusion.mp3

At its core its still the same DX7, just with Dx200 modifier knobs, so I think if anyone makes anymore DX7 templates, they should use these controls/mods. It makes FM creation super simple and fun while keeping the patch intact.

Added:
Filter
Knob 1 & 2 FM Depth, Harmonics
Knob 3 & 4 Attack, Release
T1 Button Portamento

Download: http://www.chipcollection.com/DX200_Temp.zip

I think it would be cool to use the last two knobs & a switch (take off the attack & release I did) to modify a select few of the OSCs to pitch up and down on an envelope, so you get those weird spacey modulations over time that the DX7 does.

Here is a list of stuff needed next:
Envelopes for Amp & Pitch for the six OSCs - Like DX7?
LFO Amp & Pitch - Like DX7
Filter Envelope - Like DX200
The rest of the 29 different routings (will do this last because its faster that way)

I am stoked so far, and find this really useful, but I dont know what to try and implement next :) I will wait and see if anyone has anything else to say. This could be the ultimate FM Bank for the Alesis fusion. Throw out your old DX7 and DX200s :)
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Postby Schizoflux » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:57 pm

electRiq wrote:If you're a beginner, you should also have a look for this video:
http://insidesynthesis.blogspot.com/200 ... art-1.html
You noticed the quick guide in PDF-format?


thanks for the vid
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Postby psionic » Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:44 am

Sweet, glad to see we got a team project working on Fusion FM. I vaguely recall fiddling with knobs and looking at the various operator blocks on the DX7 in a store I frequented long ago, but I have to admit it's all a mystery to me yet. Looking forward to learning all about it here.
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Postby psionic » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:27 pm

I ran across a little tutorial that is easier to understand than many online FM tutorials:

http://www.anthropomorphic.us/fm/

While the author uses a VST plug-in called FMHeaven, you can follow along in the Fusion and grasp the same principles he demonstrates. It's actually surprisingly intuitive once you grasp the fundamentals. Now I know what those strange diagrams on the ROUTER page mean, and I actually understand how to create a Fusion FM sound...woot!

Still, I'm wondering what to do with the great DX7 templates you've provided above. Many of the presets sound very similar, creating a template sound mostly related to some kind of brash, electronic reed instrument. Supposedly there are literally thousands of DX7 patches out there for re-creation, especially since FM synthesis has seen a resurgence the past couple years thanks to soft synths. Do we create and share mediocre filler FM instruments for the Fusion just because we can?

Similar to what most of us can already do with VA synthesis, I can now comfortably produce on-demand several instrument families using FM synthesis alone (with filters) -- brass, electric pianos, wind instruments, organs, harpsichords, dirty leads, simple basses. My question is, do we really want these? The ROMPLER synth engine of the Fusion is much better at imitating these instruments... in fact, I'd bet the farm and say that it is the Fusion's open-ended ROMPLER (with its FM synthesis + filters + stackability + the mod matrix) that is far and away her crowning glory.

I guess we could take up Steve's suggestion in another post, or similar to what you've posted here, and make some "synth-templates" FM-style so that anyone interested could customize the templates and make their own versions of FM instruments... but does anyone really care for this? I myself am more interested in the weirder things FM synthesis can do... let the dozens of imitators relive the 80's glory days of FM synthesis with the easily available cheap knock-offs. I prefer to make FX sounds like shortwave radio, alien machine noises, and evolving soundscapes that only FM synthesis can produce, and leave this legacy with the Fusion to distinguish it from the rest of the flock.

Sorry if I've ruffled anyone's feathers, I'm a bit buzzed and just being my usual direct, disarmingly honest if somewhat misguided self. Anyways, I'm probably talking to an audience of about 3 anyway... :wink:
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Postby Luc Henrion » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:03 am

I, for one, am listening ;-)
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Postby stealthgear » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:34 pm

anyone out there know how to convert DX7 files into fusion programs?? I think thats what we need. They skimped on the FM engine examples on this machine.
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